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Using an existing open fireplace to heat hot water and central heating?
 Started by  sabine
 19 Feb 2010, 9:16 AM


I have lived in a very cold house spending thousands dependent on calor gas (BP has shamelessly increased by 7p / litre again during the coldest spell) as we live in the country. On a visit in Germany I saw a fireplace which had been converted to a very efficient fire which is now heating their water and supplementing the heating. Rather than converting the whole house which was my plan to a combination of solar and air heat pump I want to focus on replacing the old double glazed windows to improve the insulation maybe to tripple glaze- the house is like a fishbowl and make use of the fireplace and the wood I can get free.
Where can I find very competent inserts into fireplaces which would be able to assist the hot water generation and a first rate chimney builder who ideally has experience with ceramic fireplaces? Many thanks I really love this forum!
Sabine
heinbloed
Well, open fire places are not really worth it to invest money in. They're a permanent drain of energy and money. A so called water pocket stove (Holzofen mit Wassertasche, OBI oder Hagenau, check the home pages/catataloges)is much more efficient.
These come in various sizes and outputs. Check the output ratio of these. Some deliver 20% of the thermal energy by radiation straight into the room they're placed in and 80% into the water circulation.
 
Pressurise your heating/water system, throw out the tanks in the attic, insulate it.
 
If you own the LPG tank and you're not hooked to the dealer by renting it then you can shop around on the free market for the cheapest LPG.Check the yellow/golden pages for suppliers.
The free market LPG costs about half the money as if purchased from the tank owning company. About the same as oil or natural gas when looking at the price per kWh.
 
For heating questions this forum in German language might be a better choice
http://www.haustechnikdialog.de/
 
How to get out of tank renting contracts check the homepage of the " Bund der Energieverbraucher ".
In principle call the tank owner, tell them you're thinking of switching to oil or whatever if he doesn't sell you the tank. Usually a sucess if the tank isn't to new.
Check the www. for tank manufacturers and ask them what they charge for selling and installation/comissioning. You would be surprised how cheap it is.
I bought mine for € 800.- some years ago. VAT and delivery,comissioning/connection came all together to ca. € 1,000 .
Now I pay 35-40 Eurocents per liter, depending on the oil market. Before it was at least twice this price, plus the anual rental fee of about €90.-.
Within 2-3 years the initial investment was earned back.
 
Good luck!
 
sabine
Thank you very much for that. I thought I had replied but it seems I had not. I have now looked at the German forum as well and am waiting for a reply. I will look at getting the tank and then shop around. I am also looking at double vs triple glazed windows and saw your exchange in 2004 regarding values researched in Ireland on a different forum. It seems that triple vs effective double is negligible?
 
My double glazed windows were fitted about 20 years ago before we bought the house and some are showing condensation and as I mention in the other thread are rewarding me with a gust of cold air when I draw the (thick) curtains in the morning.
Your views regarding converting the open fireplace intrigue me. It seems such a good option? It is so wasteful at present and all options so expensive.
 
Thank you Smile
 

   
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